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		<title>By: Jackson Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18 months is a lot for speech only, but it sends a message to other people to keep their mouths shut on this topic, and considering the bloodbath that neighboring Russia is going through because of this racist skinhead stupidity, it makes sense to put this individual through this trauma either to A. break him, or B. make him an tougher case, at which point he will really blow up and can be jailed for a much longer time. No matter what you do, this guy is going to continue to be a criminal. I can understand Latvians being angry with the English or Germans or Swedes, who are taking advantage, but to copy the road of Russian ethnic racism will be the end of Latvia. As a Latvian-American, its pretty sad what Latvia has turned into under unconstrained capitalism, in terms of being literally spread wide open for abusers. Letting it go fascist will be the ultimate mistake. The country already has to allow the visit by racist and criminals Russians every year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18 months is a lot for speech only, but it sends a message to other people to keep their mouths shut on this topic, and considering the bloodbath that neighboring Russia is going through because of this racist skinhead stupidity, it makes sense to put this individual through this trauma either to A. break him, or B. make him an tougher case, at which point he will really blow up and can be jailed for a much longer time. No matter what you do, this guy is going to continue to be a criminal. I can understand Latvians being angry with the English or Germans or Swedes, who are taking advantage, but to copy the road of Russian ethnic racism will be the end of Latvia. As a Latvian-American, its pretty sad what Latvia has turned into under unconstrained capitalism, in terms of being literally spread wide open for abusers. Letting it go fascist will be the ultimate mistake. The country already has to allow the visit by racist and criminals Russians every year.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleks</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Martins, thank you for your thoughts. I watched the video before it was taken off YouTube and got a bit disturbed. I agree the 18-month sentence is a bit harsh, an administrative fine would have sufficed. What I objected in Kaza&#8217;s post was its disregard to the content of the speech in his condemnation of the court&#8217;s decision.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martins, thank you for your thoughts. I watched the video before it was taken off YouTube and got a bit disturbed. I agree the 18-month sentence is a bit harsh, an administrative fine would have sufficed. What I objected in Kaza&#8217;s post was its disregard to the content of the speech in his condemnation of the court&#8217;s decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Martins Vaivods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martins Vaivods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Kaza has a point. Although Jordans&#8217; case is obviously a morally difficult one and tests the limits of free speech, if you take the freedom of speech seriously, 18 months imprisonment is an excessive penalty.  &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;If you were to advocate and prepare for the violent change in government, the government would certainly have a right to intervene, since you would be guilty of sedition. However, Jordans&#8217; case doesn&#8217;t fall under &#8216;treason&#8217; or &#8216;sedition&#8217; by any stretch of the imagination. Its not obvious that Jordans actually did anything to obstruct other people&#8217;s liberties, nor that he was organizing a following that intended to violently challenge the powers that be. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Freedom of speech presupposes deeply uncomfortable viewpoints being voiced in public forums. We may not like what we hear, but presumably the alternative is far more unattractive.  &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;To be sure, I dont think Jordans should have been allowed to just go about his day. As Kaza points out, freedom of speech has and should have its limits. However, actual imprisonment seems like a step too far. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;I dont see what is to be gained by putting the guy into prison. Will he repent and come out a changed man? Unlikely. Will the public be any safer from his dangerous and subversive ideas? Nope. If the minds of the masses are really a genuine concern here, Jordans&#8217; imprisonment is an ineffectual punishment which changes nothing. He is not the first or last to spew Neo-Nazi hatred. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;If anything, putting him in prison only puts his ideas further into the public eye and makes him into a hero/martyr in his own circles. I bet he can&#8217;t wait to get out of jail, just to be hailed as the new king of Latvian skinheads and to pursue his ethnic hatred agenda with even more fervour. Any &#8220;American History X&#8221; scenarios seem unlikely.  &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Besides, you&#8217;d hope that most people are sane and that Jordans&#8217; intolerant rants would fall on deaf ears. Jordans&#8217; imprisonment is a bit of an inslut to the public at large, since it implies that this guy&#8217;s opinions could actually have been a genuine threat to public peace and tranquility i.e. we&#8217;re all amoral sheep, who have forgotten our own history. &lt;/p&gt;

	&lt;p&gt;Jordans&#8217; should have been given a slap on the hand penalty and we ought to have continued with the rest of our days like adults, rather than self-righteously putting him behind bars just to show how seriously we take intolerance here in Latvia.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaza has a point. Although Jordans&#8217; case is obviously a morally difficult one and tests the limits of free speech, if you take the freedom of speech seriously, 18 months imprisonment is an excessive penalty.  </p>
<p>If you were to advocate and prepare for the violent change in government, the government would certainly have a right to intervene, since you would be guilty of sedition. However, Jordans&#8217; case doesn&#8217;t fall under &#8216;treason&#8217; or &#8216;sedition&#8217; by any stretch of the imagination. Its not obvious that Jordans actually did anything to obstruct other people&#8217;s liberties, nor that he was organizing a following that intended to violently challenge the powers that be. </p>
<p>Freedom of speech presupposes deeply uncomfortable viewpoints being voiced in public forums. We may not like what we hear, but presumably the alternative is far more unattractive.  </p>
<p>To be sure, I dont think Jordans should have been allowed to just go about his day. As Kaza points out, freedom of speech has and should have its limits. However, actual imprisonment seems like a step too far. </p>
<p>I dont see what is to be gained by putting the guy into prison. Will he repent and come out a changed man? Unlikely. Will the public be any safer from his dangerous and subversive ideas? Nope. If the minds of the masses are really a genuine concern here, Jordans&#8217; imprisonment is an ineffectual punishment which changes nothing. He is not the first or last to spew Neo-Nazi hatred. </p>
<p>If anything, putting him in prison only puts his ideas further into the public eye and makes him into a hero/martyr in his own circles. I bet he can&#8217;t wait to get out of jail, just to be hailed as the new king of Latvian skinheads and to pursue his ethnic hatred agenda with even more fervour. Any &#8220;American History X&#8221; scenarios seem unlikely.  </p>
<p>Besides, you&#8217;d hope that most people are sane and that Jordans&#8217; intolerant rants would fall on deaf ears. Jordans&#8217; imprisonment is a bit of an inslut to the public at large, since it implies that this guy&#8217;s opinions could actually have been a genuine threat to public peace and tranquility i.e. we&#8217;re all amoral sheep, who have forgotten our own history. </p>
<p>Jordans&#8217; should have been given a slap on the hand penalty and we ought to have continued with the rest of our days like adults, rather than self-righteously putting him behind bars just to show how seriously we take intolerance here in Latvia.</p>
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		<title>By: Juris Kaža</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juris Kaža</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;I put a link on my blog post to yours, noting that there was a different opinion on the Jordans case by another English-language blogger.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put a link on my blog post to yours, noting that there was a different opinion on the Jordans case by another English-language blogger.</p>
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